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Phillip: Have you given the threats and controls any more thought? Phillip: I thought more about what you said and think the small screens can hamper learning.. Lynn: I did a suggestion regarding a weakness of using a mobile device but quite honestly have not read that chapter so am more focused right now on the Inst Plan

Phillip: I like your plan - but what do you think about what Alyssa posted? Lynn: I do agree we need to use Survey Monkey to compile the results, but not comfortable with dictating test questions to the professor

Phillip: Neither am I, but what options do you think are best? Lynn: I think we need to go with 2 tests and use your idea regarding reliability-throw in some questions that are duplicative in some way Phillip: I thought that would be a good idea.

Phillip: What areas do we need to strengthen on the plan? Lynn: I'll put a post on Wiki later today and then see what feedback we get-how about the articles

Lynn: Laura is going to find out about reliability of the SIR test so we need to strengthen that part Phillip: Is she pulling that info from ETS? Or do we have any idea yet? Lynn: I am hoping from ETS as that was one of the sites Professor Smith mentioned in the modules

Phillip: That’s why I asked..... We need to use as much of the references that Dr. Smith gives us. I think that will help us give her what she is looking for in our project

Lynn: your thoughts on the articles? I am not sure we should use the ones that are MP3 or IPods if we are going to define our mobile device as a web enabled cellular phone Phillip: I liked it but I don't think it fits our scope Phillip: It is good for a source but it is only 1 piece of mLearning

Phillip: do we want to limit ourselves to a single device? Lynn: is the group with the mobile device our control group, Alyssa told me I had that backwards Phillip: Control group needs to be the standard or traditional method, the mLearning would be the experimental Phillip: If mLearning were the method everyone received and lecture was only given to a group then yours would be correct

Phillip: does that make sense? Lynn: yes it does, I am going to use the smart phone as the assistive technology so our research can cover text messaging too

Phillip: that works - since texts could actually play a key part of mLearning. Lynn: I agree

Lynn: so lets move on the Threats and Weaknesses Lynn: How do you all feel about Shara's posting

Phillip: let me look at it again Phillip: I think what she has is decent (better than I could come up with) but it needs a little more work Phillip: She completely left off what I thought were pretty important - subject characteristics Lynn: Yes, it does need some work but we don't have much time to get it done Phillip: I know we need to get it done rather quickly and as long as we get a post in we will be ok. Just need to tighten it up later. Lynn: definitely, you gave some pretty good comments back to her so hopefully we'll get a revised version soon Phillip: At this point as long as we get it in on time I think it will be fine. I am sure Dr. Smith will have some good comments regardless on improvements.

Phillip: I was hoping another group would have posted by now so we could have seen what others are thinking Lynn: that's exactly what I hoped for too

Phillip: I am reading the text right now too - looking for things we can incorporate Phillip: Back to the threats - page 174 mentions the Hawthorne effect -(as attitude of subject) do you think this could happen? I don't see that it could.

Alyssa: I don't think attitude is a threat. The attitudes will exist regardless of the research. We are concerned with the achievement, right?

Phillip: Have you had an opportunity to look at the postings made on the wiki about the instrumentation plan and threats discussions? Alyssa: I just looked at the Wiki a minute ago, so yes.

Lynn: If we stick with one device it will make the proposal easier to write Alyssa: I agree, and it will limit potential variations based on the devices they may choose Phillip: I think one maybe two devices, to cover those who don't have the one. Or would this be something we could provide to the 400 or more subjects in the experimental group? I don't see that as feasible.

Lynn: we have to assume that not all the students in our experimental group will have a mobile device so we will need to assess that factor at the beginning of the study Alyssa: Perhaps if we propose to provide smart phones to those students who do not have access to one? We have to come up with a way to provide access to everyone in the experimental group.

Lynn: Per Dr. Smith: Be sure you define what will constitute "mobile learning" in the context of your study Alyssa: I just keep going back to Dr. Smith saying that we can propose big things, a "dream study", because we aren't actually conducting the study.

Gloria: I like the idea of having a plan for those who do not have a mobile devise. That would be easy with a phone with text Phillip: Me too. So what do you think we just say we are providing the smart phones? Gloria: we could do that Lynn: we could do that-provide phones to those that don't have them, we'll get a grant to fund it!

Gloria: I like the grant Lynn: Grants do actually cover personnel costs Lynn: I am a CPA, don't forget. Lynn: I'll do the audit

Phillip: okay so back to the smartphone idea. When we get to it, will we need to identify the exact smartphone we would provide? Alyssa: I'm not sure. If so, we can just do an iPhone. That should be easy enough. Lynn: No, some students have Iphones, droids, etc. Those that do not will get a cheapie one from us-and we will have to train them on how to use it

Phillip: thats another issue I forgot about - training Phillip: here is a site we could come up with - I think iPhones are too expensive http://www.gotcheapsmartphones.com/

Gloria: There can be a cheat sheet developed Lynn: we will let you do that (write it in the paper) as you are the expert on technology Phillip: LOL, that’s funny since I don’t even own a cell phone

Alyssa: We could provide them with the handbook, as well. Or a cheat sheet, as Gloria mentioned, for them to refer to.

Lynn: I think I have enough feedback now to finish the Instrumentation Plan so will post that in that morning.

Lynn: OMG Phillip-no cellphone?

Phillip: that’s easy enough or as most things today there must be a video online on how to use the phone..... Gloria: good point. You tube has something for everyone Alyssa: Yes, I am sure there is. Let's not make it more complicated than it needs to be. We don't need to develop training when one already exists. Phillip: sounds good to me.

Alyssa: Did we discuss all the threats and limitations yet? Lynn: So the only part of the agenda we have not gotten too is the outline for the research paper Gloria: that is what I understand

Lynn: let's assign the outline to those not here in this meeting Phillip: That sounds good Lynn

Lynn: have we agreed on the 2 articles? Phillip: I don’t think so

Phillip: but as mentioned 5 of them aren't primary sources Gloria: I think what I'm going to do is pull together Shara's input on threat and controls along with Phil’s information and add to it and send it out tonight for everyone to give thoughts

Gloria: we will need to get two more, but we can give two based off what we have so far

Lynn: see Alyssa's last post regarding Articles on wiki-I agree.

Alyssa: I posted my thoughts on the Wiki earlier, but after looking over everyone's posts, I think re: My take on articles, I would agree with Mobile Learning in Higher Education as a definite article. I think The effectiveness of m-learning in the form of podcast revision lectures in higher education is good, too.

Lynn: some of the seven I don't really like, but I have some more I found yesterday that I may through into the mix Phillip: I gave my thoughts, I am happy to go with any ones you all think works the best

Alyssa: The more the merrier. We just need two to post for the assignments, and then I figure each of us can choose 2 of the ones submitted to review for the Literature review?

Alyssa: Probably the ones we submitted...

Alyssa: Anyways, what do we think of those 2 articles for now? Phillip: I like it except when you get several replies to a single email Lynn: they are fine with me-but Shara is waiting to hear from everyone Gloria: lets go with them Phillip: they work for me

Alyssa: I see you guys mentioned using the duplicate questions for the reliability in the 2 exams we give the students. Are those the subject area exams? Lynn: yes, the subject area exams that the professor delivers Phillip: I was assuming that would be on the exams and any survey we gave the subjects Gloria: I was talking about the survey questions. not the exam questions Lynn: we can do both Phillip: we can go either way..... I like both

Alyssa: To clarify, we will be basing their Academic Achievment (what we are measuring) off their course exams, and then using a supplemental likert scale questionairre to get their feedback, correct? Phillip: That sounds correct to me Alyssa: I think the survey questions should be separate from the course exams, so just double checking :) Lynn: that is correct Gloria: yes, that is the way I understand it

Alyssa: And Lynn, we decided on 2 course exams, and are we also using 2 questionairres, or just 1? Phillip: good we are on the same page :) Phillip: I say one questionnaire Gloria: sounds like it Alyssa: In the end? Phillip: yes Alyssa: I think that is best, too Phillip: or close to the end Alyssa: Yes

Lynn: one student eval questionaiire-using SIR II and Survey Monkey Gloria: I agree Alyssa: Sounds good Alyssa: Thanks for clarifying!! Lynn: close to the end of the course just like when you do course eval in any class you take Alyssa: Perfect

Alyssa: I've never used Survey Monkey, but sounds good Gloria: what is the normal number for survey monkey? Gloria: I did not know they had a limit!? Phillip: 100 I think and you can only have a limited # of questions Alyssa: I don't think we should limit ouselves based on monetary allowances or anything with upgrades, and just assume we will have a wealthy backer to our reasearch or an amazing grant :)

Alyssa: Still dreaming Alyssa: big*

Gloria: Let's just say we are going to use it and work through any challenges that come up with numbers Lynn: remember we are asking students and if you put too many questions in, they may not take the time to answer honestly. Gloria: good idea Lynn: I'm thinking 20 max Alyssa: Good point. I liked the 2o questions Phillip: I was thinking 20-25 max. I like the way you think Gloria: I agree with 20 Phillip: This has actually cleared up a lot of things for me. We were all over the place

Lynn: yes, we should do this again. Phillip: Its hard to zero in on something when we aren't sitting together going over things Alyssa: Maybe we should meet once a week on here, just to discuss any thoughts or confusions? Lynn: I like that idea Phillip: We can do that I like the idea having meetings Phillip: It will help keep us on track

Alyssa: Plan to do it every Friday or Saturday? Or would a non-weekend day be better? Gloria: Absolutely Lynn: how about you set us up another one for next week, Phillip? Phillip: sure thing Phillip: I will post a question on the wiki for everyone to see what time/day works best for them Lynn: Not Friday, let's shoot for Saturday Alyssa: Okie Dokie Gloria: I like partnering where we have the opportunity to brainstrom together

Phillip: Hopefully we will be able to use voice next week :) Gloria: Saturday will be fine for me Alyssa: Yes, group projects online with no real interaction can be frustrating. Phillip: I agree completely.

Gloria: maybe that is when we start doing an outline as well Alyssa: Sounds good, Gloria.

Phillip: I will post this to the wiki as well.

Alyssa: So, are we waiting until next "meeting" to start the outline? Gloria: I think so

Phillip: We can throw a few ideas up but I think the meeting would be best to work on the outline Alyssa: Alright.